Office of Tangible Space

Brooklyn, NY

Interview

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It’s one of our goals to discover the connective tissues behind New York’s design scene, and as it seems, all roads lead to Office of Tangible Space. Time and again, at the heart of the city’s most thoughtful design initiatives, we find this bicoastal studio. Founded by Michael Yarinsky and Kelley Perumbeti in 2018, Office of Tangible Space has evolved into the studio that truly does it all. Their work spans preservation projects like Alvar Aalto’s Kaufmann Conference Center, public spaces like the Brooklyn Museum Café, furniture design, and community initiatives including Works in Progress and Cooler Gallery. What emerges from this breadth is a practice rooted in the belief that design functions best when it connects people to each other and to their environments.

The studio operates with what they call a “no discipline” approach, treating furniture, architecture, and curation as equally important tools for solving complex problems. This interdisciplinary philosophy stems from their belief that addressing each scale as equally important allows them to come up with more unique solutions. Their human-centric approach prioritizes creating interpersonal relationships with space, inviting conversations with the senses while sparking curiosity. The team includes talented designers who contribute their own voices to the studio’s collaborative ethos, and their process begins with establishing guiding principles for each project rather than predetermined aesthetic decisions. For the Brooklyn Museum Café, these principles translated the museum’s mission into spatial terms: creating a place that welcomes community, makes a statement while remaining approachable, and leaves lasting impressions through joy and simplicity.

An idea we come back to always is our appreciation for Office of Tangible Space’s ability to be the rising tide that helps uplift the entire design community. Beyond Michael’s Cooler Gallery in Brooklyn and Kelley’s Works in Progress series in San Francisco, their community support extends to collaborations with local artists, partnerships with platforms like Verso, and consistent advocacy for emerging makers. They create platforms for emerging talent while fostering dialogue around contemporary craft and design. Their approach to collaboration extends beyond their own practice to their client work, where they consistently specify and purchase from local producers, creating feedback loops of mutual support. As they put it, their studio ethos is rooted in maintaining connections to culture and community, making their curatorial projects core to how they want to grow.

We had the opportunity to interview them about their unique position as both preservationists and innovators, community builders and designers. The conversation revealed a practice that thinks across timescales, from their archaeological work with Aalto’s materials to creating spaces they describe as “out of time” – designs that could have been made yesterday or decades ago because they’re founded on essential human connections rather than fleeting trends. Through our questions, we tried to capture one facet of their expansive practice, though it would be impossible to encompass the full scope of what they do. Their work ranges from the smallest, most thoughtfully designed objects to major cultural institutions like the Whitney Museum store – their practice feels infinite, and we’re grateful to share even this glimpse into their approach to design, community, and the spaces between.


Your practice spans preservation work, furniture design, community initiatives, and spaces of various scales. Could you tell us how you view these different aspects of your work fitting together?

We consider our approach to design to be interdisciplinary, or as we often say “without discipline.” Our projects range from interiors to architecture, to furniture, to curation. In addressing each of these scales as equally important in conveying an individual project’s message and goals, we are able to come up with more unique and we hope better solutions to complex problems.

Our studio ethos is rooted in maintaining a connection to culture and community, which makes curatorial projects like Cooler Gallery or Works In Progress really core to how we’d like to grow. The focus becomes less about our own work but about the work within a greater community and the dialogue it creates. We are very fortunate to be personally involved with and impacted by the people in this larger web and hope to lend support to it.

The Kaufmann Conference Center project involved intimately dismantling Aalto’s work, seeing how materials had aged over decades. How did this archaeological experience shape your approach to selecting and working with materials in your own designs?

It was a unique, powerful opportunity to be able to approach this work so intimately. The work of Alvar Aalto has been a constant reference for our studio for how to make work on many scales and to aim to impact people on a deeper human level through design. To then be given the responsibility to handle the work itself and be its custodian and steward was not lost on us. It has been an incredible journey to dive deeply into this work.

It is a different thing to have the role of archaeologist rather than designer. It forces you to discover how others have historically creatively solved problems rather than creatively solve problems yourself. In doing so, you can see the mind of the original designer working. It helped to better understand that most of the aesthetic expression in Aalto projects are a result of a process of weighing many constraints, not just a beautiful thing upon itself. We similarly hold this principle in our own work.

The marine plywood at Uprise Art, the references to Finnish modernism in your furniture – you often incorporate historical materials and techniques in unexpected ways. How do you approach making these references feel vital rather than nostalgic?

Our work is grounded in a human-centric approach and a desire to create an interpersonal relationship with space. We think of our work as creating a dialogue with the people who use our spaces and objects—inviting a conversation with the senses and looking to spark curiosity. We hope this can be applied similarly no matter the project – from new construction to historic preservation work.

From carved wooden details to acoustic wall treatments, your work seems particularly focused on touch and sound rather than just visual impact. What drives this emphasis on the non-visual aspects of space?

In a world focused primarily on the visual in creative pursuits due to the role of social media, we think it is important to define a real world “experience” in our work. Many of these aspects are lost in a photograph. Engaging the other senses (touch, smell, sound, etc) is just one way we try to make the experience of once our spaces shine. We hope to make visitors take notice, to move differently, to feel something, and to connect with space in a way that stays with them.

At Looking Glass Factory, you developed unique solutions for privacy and collaboration – like the varying-height cubicles. How do you approach these functional challenges while maintaining a strong design vision?

Constraints are the foundation of any innovation in our projects. In the Looking Glass Factory project as in many office projects, there is a functional need for cubicles, but a desire for the look of an open office. In this project we were able to roughly organize the staff within an organizational chart based on their need for privacy (programmers) vs need for open dialogue (sales/marketing) and everyone in between (management, hr, etc). These each were able to be laid out in the space and we created an architectural “cubicle” that was sheared off at an angle in the space. The visual language is a result of the diagram of staff needs.

The Brooklyn Museum Café seems to operate on multiple levels – as a social space, a design showcase, and a community hub. How do you approach these layered programs in your public projects?

Space programming is one of our favorite things to do in the studio and we have worked with some complicated constraints provided to us by the client. For us, we always drive projects with guiding principles that we establish early on per project. Our principles for the Brooklyn Museum Café space are basically a “spatialized” mission of Brooklyn Museum, which is to bring people together through art and experiences that inspire celebration, compassion, courage, and the will to act.

It is space that welcomes the community in
It is open and inviting
There is a place for everyone
It is approachable but makes a statement
It is courageous, joyous, and playful
It is impactful in its simplicity
It’s a place that makes a mark in people’s memories

When trying to incorporate the multiple functions of restaurant, community hub, performance space, and showcase into the program, we always look back to our principles we have laid out for guidance.

We see you create new environments for design discourse through initiatives like Works in Progress and spaces like Cooler Gallery. How has your study/design of spaces shaped your approach to these contemporary gathering places?

Through our studio practice, Michael runs Cooler Gallery in Brooklyn and the Cooler Ranch Residency on Long Island – a long running project representing conceptual producers at the edge of art and design. Kelley runs Works In Progress in San Francisco with Kate Greenberg – which seeks to amplify, archive, nourish, and converse around the Bay Area craft + design community.

Key to every exhibition and event we produce is an effort to create an engaging space for community interaction and collaboration. We take a similar approach to designing client projects that we take to laying out these experiential exhibition spaces.

Between your bicoastal practice and various initiatives, you’re engaging with very different design communities. How do these regional perspectives inform your work?

Staying engaged in our respective communities of New York and San Francisco are core to our practice. We are supported by and everyday trying to support the local creative economies we are part of.

On top of our curatorial practice, we are also aware we have the power to specify and purchase in our projects and this can be leveraged to support local producers. Over time and with enough designers working in this way, we hope this creates a feedback loop of mutual support that can keep our creative community more stable.

From preserving Aalto’s work to creating new civic spaces like the Brooklyn Museum Café, you’re engaging with design across different timescales. How do you think about creating spaces that will endure and remain meaningful over time?

We have frequently used the description “out of time” to describe a successful design for ourselves. If you can’t quite discern the era – it could have been designed yesterday, 50, or even 100 years ago. It’s one of the reasons we find the work of people like Alvar Aalto, the Italian Futurists, and Yrjö Kukkapuro so resonant. The work is founded on an idea and an essential aim to connect with people physically and emotionally. If we push away ideas of style or trends in our work, we can focus on that thing that won’t change – our desire to connect with the people that use our objects and inhabit our spaces.

Photos: Claire Esparros, Genevieve Garruppo, Matthew Gordon, Janne Tuunanen, Gabriel Miranda Byrro, Hanna Grankvist, Sahra Jajarmikhayat